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P-51B GB 112 Sqn 1 by WS-Clave P-51B GB 112 Sqn 1 by WS-Clave
The North American P-51 Mustang was designed for the RAF early in WW2. It entered combat service in 1942.

Fitting Mustangs with the Rolls Royce Merlin engine made a good fighter into a great one, and with the addition of drop-tanks the allies had the long-range escort fighter they needed so badly.

The Mustang 'B' was armed with 4 x 12.7mm machine guns, and could also carry drop-tanks or bombs.

This example is a P-51B (Mustang III) of 112 Squadron RAF circa 1945.
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zJoriz Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Looks amazingly sleek from this angle. The added stabilizing fin (which I suspect was retrofitted?) helps.
That radio equipment looks heavy btw ^_^

Thanks for bringing this one to us :thumbsup:
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:iconws-clave:
WS-Clave Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2010
Thanks :)

The fin modification was added to prevent failure of the tail structure in combat...

Yep, those old valve radio sets were very heavy indeed...
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:iconzjoriz:
zJoriz Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2010
I thought the fin modification improved the airflow around the tail, making the plane less prone to spins?
"Early P-51D-5s lacked the dorsal fin fillet (...) The dorsal appendage was designed to correct minor directional stability problems encountered with the P-51B" -- Jerry Scutts, Mustang Aces of the Eight Air Force

Maybe you're still right though. It certainly does look more sturdy, and more pretty in my opinion ^_^
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2010
There were a number of directional issues with the P-51B/C when they enlarged the fuel tank, but it was stability AND structure that needed fixing - I could have made it clearer though lol:

"Despite these modifications, the P-51Bs and P-51Cs, and the newer P-51Ds and P-51Ks, experienced low-speed handling problems that could result in an involuntary "snap-roll" under certain conditions of air speed, angle of attack, gross weight, and center of gravity. Several crash reports tell of P-51Bs and P-51Cs crashing because horizontal stabilizers were torn off during maneuvering. As a result of these problems, a modification kit consisting of a dorsal fin was manufactured. One report stated:

"Unless a dorsal fin is installed on the P-51B, P-51C and P-51D airplanes, a snap roll may result when attempting a slow roll. The horizontal stabilizer will not withstand the effects of a snap roll. To prevent recurrence, the stabilizer should be reinforced in accordance with T.O. 01-60J-18 dated 8 April 1944 and a dorsal fin should be installed. Dorsal fin kits are being made available to overseas activities"
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:iconzjoriz:
zJoriz Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2010
Can't withstand snap rolls? Damn, my favorite move!
(Just kidding)

Anyway, thanks for the info :)
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TopGunSGA Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010
It's surprising how good the Mustang looks with a Sharkmouth
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010
Yeah, I don't know how it came about but 112 Sqn loved doing this - they did a lot on their P-40s and later Mustangs too... B-)
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TopGunSGA Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010
AFAIK they copied the sharkmouth from the Bf 110's of ZG 26

These pages are very useful

[link]

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The second one shows that 112 Squadron also used the sharkmouth on their Vampires, Sabers and Hunters
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2010
Interesting, thanks! :)
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TopGunSGA Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2010
No problem
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DS-Dasher Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010  Student Artisan Crafter
NOW, IF YOU COULD SKETCH THAT INTO LIKE A MANUVERING SCENE, THIN I WOULD LIKE LOVE YOU.
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010
Ahh... now if only someone would buy me Lightwave 3D - I might be tempted to make full drawings of these that could rotate in all directions..
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Denis7788 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010
I think it is very possible to do with Illustrator 3d tool. It would be nice if you gave it a try and pushed your drawing skills even further
;)
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2010
I have drawn one Spitfire front view, banking... it took a hellish amount of time - it was for a company logo: [link]
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Denis7788 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Wow! Looks pretty good actually! Nice try!

Shapes? G-mesh? Live tracing?

Of course it takes time but the result is worthy. If you start making a 3 model it also takes sooo much time. The good thing is that you can use later in any amount of view. However you need to spen much time (again) if you want give new “skin”—so called texturing. So there are always advantages and disadvantages :D

PS: ah, those smarts, again! :)
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2010
Gradient mesh over lines and blocks of colour - pretty much standard method for me - except that the angles of everything threw me out a few times lol
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zJoriz Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2010
Nice logo, well painted!
The site though... for yer sake, I hope you didn't build it. I'm getting tired of these 90s site designs with a little bit too much bevel & emboss applied...

Now that I think of it, I encounter that type of site only when I'm looking up lore & pictures of WWII warplanes... :D
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2010
Nope - I hated the site at first sight - I was asked to fix it, but the whole financial thing went down the drain, and I am well out of pocket... :(
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zJoriz Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2010
A shame then... hope you did get paid for the awesome work you did for the logo and those Smarts...
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:iconws-clave:
WS-Clave Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2010
It's quite complicated, but I didn't end up with any actual money, so no...
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DS-Dasher Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2010  Student Artisan Crafter
or, you could practice on regular drawings, for FREE. :)
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